Marina Hyde on Trump, tech bros and Taylor Swift - podcast

“I think increasingly the way to survive the news is to say things like: ‘I find it fascinating from a human behaviour point of view,’” says Marina Hyde. “It’s like a firewall against actually thinking: ‘My God, I mean, what are we living through?’”

On the publication of her new book, What a Time to Be Alive!, The Guardian’s award-winning columnist talks to Nosheen Iqbal about Donald Trump, AI, Taylor Swift’s wedding … and her chance, tragic encounter with Keir Starmer.

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